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SH1-6P上周末到底发生了什么?

TRIBUTE/ SH1-6P 8月20日, 2016

战斗:

在星系 SH1-6P 有超过价值 1381.25 billion isk的物资被摧毁, 包括6个 Circle-Of-Two泰坦.这应该是EVE中最近两年,或者是最近印象中继 B-R5RB之战后最大的一场战斗.

战斗发生在 SH1-6P 星系, 位于 Tribute星域和 Venal星域的交界处, 在1个属于 Circle-Of-TwoPOS旁。在这个POS有一个 Capital Ship Assembly Array(超级旗舰组装阵列). CSAAs是用来制造 超旗和大航的, 因此, 如果里面有东西在制造, 那就立马会变得非常有战略及价值, 但同时这东西也很脆弱.双方都出场了大型甲亢T3队伍,同时还有后勤舰,无畏,超旗和泰坦.

双方都有多个联盟卷入,同时还有很多很多的第三方玩家加入这场持续3个小时的战斗.

防御方的4个联盟: Circle-Of-Two [Co2], Test Alliance Please Ignore [TEST], Project.Mayhem.[16-13] 和 Snuffed Out [B B C] 总计 867个玩家.. 攻击方为 Pandemic Legion [-10.0], Northern Coalition [NC.], WAFFLES  [N0MAD], Pandemic Horde [REKTD] 和  Vanguard Coalition 总计 1040个玩家.

各联盟在eve时间17:00开始集结,而战斗大概在18:43开始. 当战斗开始时星系里有超过 1370 玩家.. 因为CCP没有在战前增强服务器节点,TiDi在战斗旗舰一直是最大状态(10%真实时间) . TiDi不仅影响了 SH1-6P星系,也影响到了附近的星系, 阻塞了双方后续增援队伍的进场.而战斗的核心的那个POS在前一天晚上(8月20日星期五)被Pandemic Legion打进增强(译者注:其实在战斗几天,我们在venal的预警就已经看到了NC有大量超旗和泰坦部署到那边了).

Circle-Of-Two, TEST, Project.Mayhem 和 Snuffed Out PanFam/NC./Vanguard的常规舰队集结到达POS之前就已经部署完毕. Co2 TEST带了 甲亢T3, 而 Snuffed Out Project.Mayhem.带了 Nightmares加入战斗.

Northern Coalition甲亢T3第一个到达现场, 直接跃迁到防御队伍的常规舰队前面打响了战斗的第一枪. 然后双方的舰队都被对方大量的alpha damage(DPH,集火攻击)破防直接击毁. Vanguard Coalition带着他们的 Tengu Fleet随后也赶到, Pandemic Horde过了好久才带领 Hurricanes加入战斗.
Pandemic Legion很快带着他们的 有超旗,泰坦和后勤舰和超旗队 Co2  POS旁边入场, 离 NC 的 常规队相当远. 他们只能通过星门进入这个星系,因为这个星系被 Circle-Of-Two上了 cyno jammed . 然后,几个 PL后勤舰跃迁到 NC  T3 Fleet的遥修距离内, 提供了大量的遥修,降低了后续的损失. 防御方因为因为没有旗舰入场,失去了这些好处.

PL超旗队入场不久, 在 SH1Cyno Jammer被下线, 让 Circle-Of-Two能够投送他们的 旗舰和超旗力量 SH1的POS附近,但是离 PL超旗队好像有 80-100 KM. Co2立即尝试用他们的末日武器击毁 Pandemic Legion超旗队. 然而, Co2在第一次集火的时候并没有击毁PL的 Nyx. 最终 PL Circle-Of-Two投送他们的超旗舰队后很快击毁了POS.

“i look at the field and say, where will my supers DO anything. where will they make an IMPACT. ”(译者注:看不懂这句话,如果语义直译大概就是:我看着战场说,我的super入场总是能发挥一点作用) – Vily

就在 Co2投送了他们的 超旗队不久, TEST Alliance Please Ignore也投送了以无畏为主的 旗舰队,也有几个 小航加入. 他们很快开始清理 PL用来支援常规的 后勤舰. NC投之以桃报之以李, 投送了他们自己的 超旗队到常规队旁边, 就在 TEST无畏队旁边. PL NC开始用末日武器扫射敌对的 无畏,以免 后勤舰被无畏团灭,打破了常规战的平衡.

TEST,还有其他的防御方决定不投入他们的超旗. Sapporo Jones, TEST的CEO, 作了1个 声明 说这是他下的不要投送 TEST超旗的命令 , 尽管提前有所准备, ( Snuffed Out Project.Mayhem也拒绝投送他们的超旗.). Vily进一步说明为什么他没有投送TEST的超旗队入场.

根据来自 PL的FC Asher Hour的播客,新的末日武器导致了大量的问题.

最终, 目标已经被摧毁, 而更多的 后勤舰入场补充被 TEST 无畏队打死的位置, 防御方最终输掉了这场战斗, 撤退的命令被下发,而 超旗队被留在了战场. 防御方的超旗队切换目标开始击杀被用来阻止 Co2超旗队撤退的 重拦轻拦. 1个 Ragnarok被击杀之后, 防御方开始用尽全力将常规换成 隐轰或者 指挥驱逐来击毁困住 Co2 超旗队的泡泡, 而剩下的 T3开始击杀战场上的 重拦轻拦.然而, PL也全力继续困住泰坦, 一直从他们超旗舰队仓库放新的拦截.

那天还有另外5个泰坦被干掉 – 总计2个 Avatars, 1个 Levi 和 3个 Ragnaroks , 而大多数 Co2常规队伍逃过了这次屠杀. 他们的大航都在泰坦被击杀之前逃出来了.

Fleet Commanders Talk:

Let’s have a chat with those that led the battle on both sides. Here’s Vily, Fleet Commander of TEST‘s fleets during the battle, to give his perspective of the battle.

Marcach:My first question would be why did you chose to deploy T3s to the field, over another ship?
Vily:
If your expecting to be in a situation where you MUST fight under a hostile or supercapital umbrella you wanna go as low-sig as you can. HAW guns can still hit t3’s but not for the same devastating level of efficiency with which they hit battleships. T3 armor cruisers give the best balance of strength, tank and sig size for a fleet in that situation


Marcach:
You said in a post on reddit explaining the situation with about TEST’s non-use of supers in the SH1 battle that there were several problems before the battle, particularly in relation to the communication between alliances. Could you explain a bit more?
Vily:
As far as communication goes, I would say the only issue we really had before the battle was just a general lack of strategic and tactical planning. We didn’t go over plans, opportunities or methods of attack for how we were going to execute the battle. As such when it happened we were just kind of playing blind in relation to our expectations from each other


Marcach:
A lot was sacrificed by Co2 and TEST for that battle. Would you say it was completely in an attempt to save the tower and CSAA, or was there an element of “Sending a message”?
Vily:
Not particularily. While it ultimately ended in failure there is an element of needing to “stretch our legs” so to speak. Everyone wanted to fight and without the fervent desire by normal numerical standards there really shouldn’t have been a battle.


Marcach:
Did you expect the battle to end the way it did?
Vily:
Once the Co2 Supers jumped in I expected them to all die. That the majority made it out was a pleasant surprise.


Marcach:
What was your reaction when NC.’s super fleet jumped in far away from the POS on top of the subcap fight?
Vily:
well that wasn’t the subcap fight, that was co2’s Dreads they dropped on. I was a bit confused myself until I realized that the Co2 caps themselves were split. Part of the delay in us dropping anything was trying to figure out this as well, since in the middle of the fight and tidi sludge and bubbles its really hard to see them ;p


Marcach:
How was the battle and it’s outcome generally received by TEST line members and leadership?
Vily:
fine. The dreads wanted to go in and had a blast (both figuratively and literally) although they were sad to get fully FAX buffered, the carriers got primaried pretty hard so were a little sad. And the supers could see the reality of the situation so were quite understanding of the decision


Marcach:
Can you expect more battles like the one in SH1-6P to occur again during your fights against PL?
Vily:
no. Battles with PL possibly, but they have to be short and sweet with NC. at their back there is no force besides the Remains of goons WITH some significant help that would be able to hold them the fact that Pandemic horde, GOTG, Vanguard, Tri, and many more came to assist them is a dangerous precedent as well


Marcach:
Looking back on the battle now, what would you have done differently? What have you learned from it?
Vily:
Probably tried to prevent Co2 from dropping supers/caps. look for a straggler on the gates we could surprise dreadbomb maybe. if I had to take the fight as was, I dunno


Marcach:
Was there anything, other than the communication issues, that cause problems during the fight?
Vily:
not particularily. I know my computer crashed at one point that was certainly an inconvenience. The node not being reinforced added unnecessarily to the lag.


Marcach:
Did you expect NC.’s super fleet to come in with PL, or did you expect them to be held in reserve like they were?
Vily: was about what was expected, they waited at a mid and went in when the jammer was down when there was a reason for them to come in combined they had like 220 supercapitals so I don’t think they felt like they were expecting to see much action

Marcach:What was the purpose of the carriers that came in with the Dread Bomb?
Vily:
to clear heavy fighters reduce incoming damage keeps the dreads alive longer

MarcachDo you have any comments to add?
Vily: no that seems fine
Marcach: Well, thank you Vily. I have no more questions at the moment. Thank you very much for your time.
Vily: your welcome, have a great day

I also had the chance to talk to Killah Beeof Pandemic Legion, who oversaw PL‘s forces in SH1-6P for his perspective of the fight.

Marcach:My first question would be what prompted Pandemic Legion’s aggression towards Co2 and TEST in recent weeks?
Killah Bee: Mainly to have fun. Now I know thats not something very exciting if you looking for any deeper reasons. But I guess my motivation was the way some parts of the TEST and Co2 leadership acted when we moved to hakonen. Nothing really strategic. We arent planning on taking vale or tribute we just wanna frag people.

Marcach:Do you mind if I ask what exactly did Co2 and TEST’s leadership do to “nudge you” the wrong way? Though that your answer so far is great, thanks.
Killah Bee: So basically when we wanted to move to hakonen I got contacted by Vily who is one of the main FC’s in TEST and he told me he was gonna try everything to make my life a living hell “form a coalition” against me. Then they blobbed us on every timer with co2 and snuff / pm so I thought for my self aight lets see who can blob harder. Turns out people rather have a favor with pl than with test 😉

Marcach:Undoubtedly PL will have known that Co2 had plans to drop their Super fleet on the tower you destroyed. Did you still expect them to drop after you came with your super fleet? (Noting that they had not preset up their Super fleet on the POS?)
Killah Bee: No. We saw their fleet logged in and I thought it was to scare us or something .. what people don’t seem to get is that logging in their supers / titans only gets us more exciting. So I was a little surprised when I saw them on grid. Happy but surprised.

Marcach:Why did you chose to deploy T3 Cruisers against Co2, TEST, etc, rather than your other doctrines, like your rattlesnakes?
Killah Bee: I was worried Test would bring Maelstroms which destroy rattlesnakes so I decided to stick to T3 cruisers as they are a little more ” all around “.

Marcach:I’d like to ask about NC.’s Super fleet for a moment. The SH1 was cyno jammed, so PL’s super fleet came in via one of the gates. However, NC. only joined the fray after the Co2 deactivated the cyno jammer. Was this a planned idea to keep NC.’s super fleet on standby if the jammer came down, or what was the idea there?
Killah Bee:  yes we werent going to bring the NC fleet in if not needed
Marcach:But the arrival of Co2’s Dreads and Supers prompted them to join in?
Killah Bee:  yes

Marcach:Did you expect Snuff/Project.Mayhem./TEST to join the fray with their supers?
Killah Bee: yea maybe I am actually surpirsed they pussied out the 2nd time in a row . I dont believe snuff / pm will drop their supers into 0.0 until I see it. they are really risk averse.

Marcach:Right. Did you expect TEST to dread bomb? Did it have any effect on you/NC. ?
Killah Bee: Yes we were expecting the test dreads .. they didnt have too much effect except killing some fax. they just died really ^^

Marcach:It seemed like you were almost saving your DD’s for them?
Killah Bee: yes ofc removing dreads is important they do a shit ton of dps / ehp

Marcach:Do you think there would have been much of a difference in the battle had TEST, P.M./Snuff deployed their supers?
Killah Bee: no we still would’ve won it would’ve taken longer and it would’ve been bloodier.

Marcach:NC.’s subcap T3 fleet began the fight quite far away from the POS. What was the reasoning for this?
Killah Bee: Mistakes were made. We wanted to fight on our super fleet

Marcach:What effect did this have on the fight?
Killah Bee: we won slower than we would’ve if we were closer together 😉and it enabled them to clear tackle a little more efficient which is why “only” 6 titans died

Marcach:Would you expect more battles like the one in SH1 to occur in your fight against Co2 and TEST? How about in the game as a whole since the capital changes?
Killah Bee:  I think we might see another battle like this .. co2 is very … stubborn and test has been waiting for their chance to f* us since we killed hero coalition so both are very keen. Well if you ask me about the capital I think they are awesome especially titans are super strong now but I have the luxury of beeing in a group that has loads of em so I think many will disagree especially the people that dont have a super fleet like us. I think the game is interesting atm .. lots is going on in eve since WWB. fights in the south, east, north now we have at coming up too and sitll activity pretty good I think its going to be an amazing winter.

Marcach:How did the changes to capital movement, weapons, etc over the past few months affect the events leading up to, during, and the outcome of the battle?
Killah Bee:  I mean battles like this are very rare now days and I hope they will be around at all after poses are gone because citadel atm are way to hard to hit especially astrahuses. I think keepstars should be supers strong which they are, fortizars are okayish but astrahuses with their 3hrs vuln are way to hard to remove. Phoebe I think overall is fine just needs some tweaking maybe a little higher range or smth.

Marcach:The change to capitals allowing them to take gates rather than forcing you to take down the cyno jammer as well must have been an interesting change?
Killah Bee: Taking gates with supers is great yea

Marcach:Otherwise my next question would be if you would mind imagining that you were in Co2/TEST’s position, and what you would have done differently?
Killah Bee: Oh god thats a hard question. WHat would i have changed mhm. I wouldnt have escalated probably over all the odds just were against them. oh and IF I would have escalated I would have dropped all my supers / titans / dreads on one target and not spread over the entire grid. they got one nyx down to 22% armor with their DD volley if they wouldve had dreads to finish it off.

Marcach:What was your reaction when Co2 dropped their Dreads so far from their supers?
Killah Bee:  I thought it was stupid. They brought them in to kill our apostles that were with the subcaps.

Marcach:It was brought up during the Asher hour that there was a lot of trouble with aiming the new DDs. How did this affect the engagement?
Killah Bee: Yea the UI is broken but CCP work on fixing that. Well aiming the new dd’s is pretty much impossible in a fight like that.

Marcach:Thank you Killah Bee for you time. Do you have any comments you would like to add?
Killah Bee:  Nope thanks for having me.

The Result:

This Battle had resulted in far more than just over a trillion iskin damages. Several bugs and very problematic mechanics have been brought to light, several standings were adjusted and work to replace the ships now turned to wrecks have begun.

The Butcher’s billcomes in with  Circle-Of-Twotaking the brunt of the isk loss, at 940.71 B lost, followed by 245.44 B lost by TEST  ==> 6 Titans / 97 Dreads / 16 FAXs / 35 Carriers / 51 T3s and 47 T2 Logis were lost. 
PLand allies took 163.61 B in damages ==> 30 FAXs / 51 T3s and 97 Bubblers were destroyed in this Fight.
Third-partying alliances took a total of 28.63 B in damages.

After the battle, Circle-Of-Tworeset DARKNESS. and the rest of Guardians of the Galaxy.

This battle brings around the end of an era, with the MBCtruly having come to an end now as former allies against the Imperiumbegin to turn on each other once more.

Despite the loss, Gigxhas stood firm against his enemies, calling them out over their batphoning of Pandemic Horde, WAFFLES, NC and Vanguard Coalition. Meanwhile, his enemies called him out, referring to support from TEST, Project.Mayhem.and Snuffed Out. Reddit however, for the most part cheers for Co2, several noting how daring Gigx was to take them on.

Line members of Circle-Of-Two took the loss in stride as well.

The battle has also spawned a dozen of various different POVs of the battle, from interceptors to Titans.

One reddit user ever created a cool  Spreadsheetshowing the spread of various alliance’s ship usage.

Special thanks to Killah Bee of Pandemic Legion and Vily of TEST Alliance Please Ignore for their contributions.

We have reach out to Circle-Of-Two for comment, but as of writing have received no response.

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